it sceptre or a mida staff can bring you a lot of toxicity， because the spirit sceptre doesn''''t do much damage and lots of people believe the mida staff blocks arrows.

m1-m3

it''''s not a great idea to play those floors if you don''''t have wither armor or a good party. even though it''''s pletely possible for a cata 30 party with no terminator or wither blade to get an m3 s+ run in under 15 minutes， it''''s not easy to get such a party because it requires good collaboration.

spoiler: dungeon progression right after the “starting out“ section

after getting full ender armor and an aote， join the entrance floor again and try to do the dungeon using the dreadlord obtained earlier. pick up all the armor pieces dropped from mobs and slowly upgrade your armor. start doing floor 1 as a healer when you have 2 or more pieces of armor replaced by dungeon armor pieces and have a machine gun bow. you can switch back to mage when you get higher cata and better armor. keep doing floor 1 until you get a full set of dragon armor (a mixture of young， holy， and unstable pieces). in this progress， pick up the bonzo mask and maybe the bonzo staff too from the boss collection.

go to floor 2 and keep doing the floor until you get a scarf''''s grimoire. this floor is a great floor for ultimate wise books. after that， e to floors 3 and 4 and get pletions. at this point， if your cata level is 15 or higher， convert your dragon set and go to floor 5. if not， then do more floor 4 and see your luck with spirit wings. if you get a wing quickly， then it''''s worth grinding for the other 2 and go for a spirit sceptre. if not， then don''''t risk it and go to floor 5.

floor 5 is the place to grind for legion and overload books so you''''ll have to do a lot of runs (>150). therefore， don''''t take the livid dagger from a chest unless you are very rich or don''''t have a melee weapon other than aote. keep grinding this floor until you get enough books of each type， get a livid dagger from collection， or get full sa armor.

if you got a spirit sceptre earlier， then you can keep playing mage. otherwise， switch to berserk or healer is likely better because the early game mage weapons don''''t do much damage on floor 6. you can replace your chestplate with a perfect chestplate for more ehp if necessary. it''''s safer to start off by playing in a team with both a tank and a healer. for ancient roses， if you don''''t get a single rose after more than 7 runs， then it''''s time to join a different party because someone in the previous party is going for them. keep doing this floor until cata 30， and then it''''s time to consider floor 7.

it''''s almost impossible to get into a floor 7 party as an archer without wither armor， and berserk gets kicked a lot， so it''''s better not to try those 2 classes especially when sa armor is squishy. if you have a yeti sword， you can try to play as a mage， with a bonzo mask and necromancer lord armor or perfect chestplate if you don''''t have necromancer lord cp. if you have a reaper mask， 3/4 necromancer lord and a legendary whale with high level， you can try joining parties as a tank and see how it goes. getting kicked is likely because you don''''t have goldor， but it''''s still possible to get into parties. if you can''''t survive as a tank， then go healer. this is a difficult stage of joining all kinds of weak parties， until you get enough wither armor pieces to have the average gear of your class on this floor or find a nice party that wants to play with you. the floor 7 grind basically keeps going until you get a full scrolled wither blade. if you bee bored of this process， you can visit m1-m3 from time to time and try to drop some master stars or skulls.

a party with a weak class bination or with weak gears can get good results in the end.

spoiler: different kinds of parties and players i''''ve seen during my runs with weak parties， and the results of those runs

teams with 2a1b1t1h - s+ in the end

teams with 1a2b1t1h - s+ in the end

berserk in adaptive chestplate - died. the run also failed because the tank died too

mage in full wise dragon armor - failed the blaze puzzle and everyone left the run

tank in superior dragon armor - tank disconnected and people left

tank in zombie soldier chestplate - died in phase 2 and phase 4 and the run failed eventually

archer in full fragged sa armor - died right after reviving for many times， and the run failed too

mage in zombie soldier chestplate with a spirit sceptre - s+ in the end

tank in 3/4 necromancer lord with a mender crown - s in the end

juju mage - s+ in the end

lcm with shadow fury - s in the end

mage with yeti sword - s+ in the end

mage with mida staff - s+ in the end

berserk with a hyperion who also happens to own a terminator (why?)- s+ in the end

this is just a list of what i''''ve seen and it doesn''''t imply which gears or players are better than others. the purpose of this list is to show that a party with a weak class bination or with weak gears can get good results in the end.

misc: tips and tricks on other grinds， as well as some useful facts

i''''ll plete this section later. this is also where i add good ideas and tricks i get from ments.